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Debbie Ayre
Ricky Owen
Ricky Owen There has been a big sign up in the field for quite a while saying about developing,but 1st time ive seen a plan.
Ben Cwilewicz
Ben Cwilewicz Planning link http://planning.cornwall.gov.uk/.../applicationDetails.do... Interesting to note the proposed site plan on the planning submission bears no resemblance to the pretty picture above http://docs.planning.cornwall.gov.uk/rpp/showimage.asp...
Paul Warmington
Paul Warmington It will open up all the adjacent and surrounding fields for building
Debbie Ayre
Debbie Ayre More schools more doctors surgery's needed. Roads will be busier..
Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin plan has been on cornwall council site for a while and a big sign up in field for ages, i for one are all for it as i need a house. I guess its ok to moan and whine about all the new houses if you have a house to live in and its not costing you a fortune in rent every month.
Debbie Ayre
Debbie Ayre I haven't seen "moaning" just expression of thought!!
Charlie Jenkin
David Clemo
David Clemo Houses all the way to Guilford soon
Phil Thomas
Phil Thomas Spoke to an outside consultant who had been employed to consult on this plan and he said that this particular company are notorious for squeezing properties in,I seen this plan last summer and he said back then that it won't resemble the initial plan that closely.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad Lots of plans evolve from the original idea through the consultation periods, very common.
Gail Willis
Gail Willis What did HTC decide to do?
Ricky Owen
Gail Willis
Gail Willis Thank you, there will be no green fields left in that area soon frown emoticon
Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin Ricky Owen . Mey be a better idea to put sleeping policeman along that road.
Ricky Owen
Ricky Owen Always been a dodgy crossroads there,pressuming its a matter that has been discussed/decided?
I have no idea about such things,not really given the matter much thought before but find it all quite interesting watching the town grow as it seems to have progressed at quite a pace in recent years compared to the last 20yrs of talking
Steven Brighton
Steven Brighton Looking at the plans its a whole new road layout and juntion and lowering of the speed limit which will make it alot safer than it is now
Graham Coad
Graham Coad You're right Steven, there was much consultation with the Highways people.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad Gail Willis That area down to Guildford has been earmarked for town expansion since 2007 Hayle Area Plan, widely consulted on.
Gail Willis
Gail Willis I know and I realise there is a big need for housing but hate to see everything being concreted over. I am sure one day people will look back and talk about how green the area was and we used to play in those fields etc just like they do in the concrete jungle that is the midlands now.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad People need places to live. Even at 60 I remember lots of parts of Hayle that were green fields, all of Pathway Fields, Harvey's Way, Curnow's Way etc.

The population of the town has doubled in my lifetime from 4,500 to 9000, and here it;s not immigration from Asia or the European Union but people from the rest of the UK plus breeding!
Gail Willis
Gail Willis I'm afraid immigration and 'the rest of the uk breeding' does have an impact on the population here. People move away from the overcrowded areas where this has happened and move to what is perceived to be a better place to live. I think second homes have a big impact on the housing problem too, especially here where they are bought and rented out to holiday makers providing the owners with an income. There are 6 houses near to me that are holiday lets, imagine how many there are in Hayle and what a difference it would make if these were rented to people on the housing list. Its a shame there can't be some sort of tax incentive to encourage the owners to rent them to local people.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad Passed by Hayle Town Council, final decision by Cornwall Council.
Steve Clemo
Steve Clemo More strain on the local amenities, Highlands fish and chips will be even busier Saturday evenings. !
Ricky Owen
Ricky Owen Good job i go fridays then
Ken Townend
Ken Townend Best Chippie in Hayle by far!
Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin As I said before what are hayle people supposed to do move out of the county or stop having kids, I have already moved out of my home town of hayle to Carlisle for work and housing related problems, I have now moved back to hayle as I'm unable to work and the problem of housing is still the same, so more houses are needed.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad Well said Charlie Jenkin.

Often the people most strongly against more home building are comfortable in their own, owned or securely rented properties.....


I get lobbied by both sides.

At a recent Q+A session with students at Hayle Community School one of the girls asked about building on green land around Hayle.

I replied "People need homes, where are YOU going to live in a few short years when you leave home?" ..there were no answers.

Where ARE our children and grand children going to live?
Ken Townend
Ken Townend Hopefully the houses being built are not sold to Councils up country, they just send down their undesirables for us to put up with. As has happened in the past. A % should be ringfenced for locals on the housing list.
Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin All of will be for locals only Ken Townend , im on the waiting list myself and you have to prove your connection to hayle.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad Ken, that is an urban myth, it just doesn't happen.
Ken Townend
Graham Coad
Graham Coad Show me where it has happened please.
Ken Townend
Ken Townend Big discussion on Lawerence Reid phone in some time ago. The CCouncillor he had on there would not catagorically say, no it did not happen. There was rumours of the large amounts of cash Councils got for each family, which I feel is a myth.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad Laurence Reid show is full of nonsense.

Anyone can buy the open market homes at their full price, but the "Affordable" homes are reserved for people with a local connection. The stronger your local connection, the better chance you have.
Ken Townend
Ken Townend I didn't say it was the affordable homes. Just houses for sale. Which other councils can buy and use for families from their own area. London council do it a lot, due to their big homeless problem. As for Lunchtime with Lawrence being a load of nonsense, I would believe more of what comes out of that programme, than comes out of of the mouths of some of the HTC.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad Again Ken, tell me where this is happening? Find me an example?

Why would an up country city council, that owns its own land buy top price market homes in West Cornwall at our sky high prices, to put their 'problem families' in, when they would have t
o pay to provide property maintenance, rent collection services and so on. It would be vastly more expensive than providing homes in their own areas

It's just a myth.

As for Laurence at lunchtime, if you want to believe all you hear there, good luck!
Ken Townend
Ken Townend Time will tell. Not a good time to mention things like School. GPSurgeries either I suppose.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad GP surgery is fine, primary schools are a little bit oversubscribed but Hayle Community School is well UNDER subscribed. Penpol have just had a new classroom
Maurice Trathen
Maurice Trathen But just look at the site and the approach roads too it,in which ever direction you travel,there are narrow roads at the Bodriggy end and at the Trevassack end there is no way that those railway bridges could be made wider.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad Developers are improving the road west from the site to High Lanes, AND giving money for other highway improvement.
Maurice Trathen
Maurice Trathen But surely that won't make any difference to the other routes, you know people they are creatures of habit,the Bodriggy end is hell now at school times.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad The new estate they are building now right opposite Bodriggy school has provision inside off the main road for child drop off and pick up.
All these things are taken into consideration Maurice.
Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin Lmao Ken Townsend hopefully the houses being built are not sold to councils up country, they just send down their undesirabiles for us to put up with. Lol does that include yourself from Wakefield.
Ken Townend
Ken Townend Typical, cannot even spell the name correctly. Charlie. I came down as a volunteer all but 50 years ago to help you lot out. LMAO.
Ken Townend
Ken Townend Oh, I do love all this banter. The houses will be built no matter what objections come up. We do need more and more each year. More than likely Linden Homes will get their way in the end. But the strain on Schools and GP surgeries will reach a bursting point. Also the flooding at the bottom of the town will most likely worsen. But nothing seems to be done about it. Hayle is a super town. Let's hope they don't spoil it.
Debbie Ayre
Debbie Ayre It's the floods that worry me. I've been flooded twice in five years. Only two Saturdays back.. Hopefully this will be thought of before being built
Paul Warmington
Paul Warmington The run off from fields causes way more flooding than housing.
Ken Townend
Ken Townend And with it comes the mud of course.
Debbie Ayre
Debbie Ayre That block drains
Ken Townend
Ken Townend That are never cleared out. Hence FLOODING.
Maurice Trathen
Maurice Trathen The run off from fields never used to be such a problem years ago.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad We are getting heavier rain... I have lived in Phillack 20 years now, and that flooded Saturday was the first time the rain was so heavy I couldn't see Hayle for a while!

All the land was already saturated from recent wet weather.


That was exceptional, beyond what our older drains were built for.

Apparently the flooding at the bottom of Guildford Road was from the Wheal Alfred stream and the Angarrack river, nothing to do with increased housing, the rivers just overflowed.

Lighter flooding in other parts of Hayle was due to the heaviness of the rain, and the blocked or restricted drains.
Debbie Ayre
Debbie Ayre Let's hope the rivers get sorted then as I've been flooded twice now and nothing has been done about
Graham Coad
Graham Coad I heard on Thursday that the Wheal Alfred stream that runs down behind the homes by the bypass is the responsibility of Cornwall Council, and they will be sorting it.
The Angarrack river is the responsibility of the Environment Agency.
Debbie Ayre
Debbie Ayre What ever happens I NEED it sorted, and yes been in discussions with a man from the council..
Maurice Trathen
Maurice Trathen Graham in your own words our old drains and blocked drains,and yet still more houses are being built, this won't help the situation in any way.I can remember very heavy rain over the years the same with snow and winds so we can't solely blame the supposedly climatic changes,a lot of it caused by excessive building and concreting every where.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad Not all our drains are old or blocked/restricted.

When a planning application is submitted, it goes to "statutory consultees" like South West Water and Environment Agency, who state whether or not the proposed drainage and sewage provisions are OK.


These are the acknowledged experts that the Government say planning committees are obliged to take notice of.

Building rules these days include soakaways, permeable hard standings and other measures to be vastly better on drainage than in the old days.

Specialists claim that the drainage from some modern sites is better than if they were just left as fields

The old assumption that 'more buildings mean higher flood risks' is no longer valid.

Anyone trying to use that objection contrary to SWW or EA advice on a planning issue is doomed to fail or have their objection dismissed.
Ken Townend
Ken Townend If the weather is expected to worsen, then the town needs to be thinking of sorting out the rivers and obsolete drainage with whoever is responsible for it, Soonest. Sounds like Wheal Alfred river, will possibly be sorted. Though no doubt CC wi...See more
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Graham Coad
Graham Coad Ken, as above all new builds must conform to the new drainage standards already.

Our overall drainage system can cope with more load, but some of the older parts of the system will need to be cleaned more often or physically improved.


Of course it's not just Hayle, but Nationally!
Graham Coad
Graham Coad IF Global warming is real, IF Climate change will bring more rain, IF sea level rises are going to happen, then some places that get regularly flooded but that can't be protected may have to be abandoned!

There is already official talk of abandoning
Hayle Causeway in favour of a new access from the A30 at a Tolroy Junction.

Many of Britain's main cities are on tidal rivers and already have needed major flood prevention schemes.

IF it does get worse, how much money will be left for little Hayle after the major cities have had billions spent?

The National Trust already use the term "managed retreat" in relation to coastal erosion and flood ingress.....
Maurice Trathen
Maurice Trathen The talk of a junction from the A30 at Tolroy has been talked about many years ago,but the cost was too great.
David Clemo
David Clemo Managed retreat? The population of the UK is at an all time high and is likely to get even larger, yet both the National Trust and Environment Agency talk of managed retreat. Something here doesn't make sense. I'd say we're only being told half the story. Are they expecting our island to disappear beneath the waves under the weight of people?
Maurice Trathen
Maurice Trathen That's a possibility David.
Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin Sounds like I would be better off getting a boat than being on the council waiting list........lol
Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin I do apologise Ken Townend was thinking of the local village Townsend and I also apologise at quoting you.
Ken Townend
Ken Townend No problem Charlie. Being a Yorkshireman and 26 years military have made me brassed necked when it comes to people, places and authoritarianism. Just love a bit of banter with Graham and Co. I take it you meant the local Townshend village. We get that name on letters now and again, as well as the usual Townsend. Thats life.
Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin thats right ken think its spelt townshend.
Susan West
Susan West Surgery is far from ok. Hard to get appointments and prescriptions running later and later.
Graham Coad
Graham Coad Well there's a thing, I am a regular at Bodriggy Surgery and find appointments easy to get and prescriptions brilliant now they actually have a new Pharmacy on the premises.
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Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin never had a problem myself at bodriggy and being a diabetic im up there alot.
Ken Townend
Ken Townend Cannot always get appointment on day. But within few days. But with an influx of all the new housing, it will get worse. All NHS dental places gone in Copperhouse.
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Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin ive had to go to camborne for dentist i think they are still taking in up there. CHAPEL DENTAL 01209 712036
Graham Coad
Graham Coad There's a new surgery at Connor Downs and another one at Praze an Beeble......why all these rumours?
David Clemo
David Clemo I needed to visit a doctor when on holiday last August and went to the walk in surgery at Poltair and was seen withing 10 minutes- which is better than my own surgery
Susan West
Susan West New pharmacy is very good but nearly a 4 day wait on prescriptions at moment and thats before summer arrives. Struggle to get through on the phone to be told all appointments have gone with your Gp. I find it very hard to get appointment these days so will continue to use walk in centre when needed sadly.
Susan West
Susan West Praze and Beeble? Did not know you could register elsewhere. Tried several times and told I could not due to postcode.
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Kelly Thomas
Kelly Thomas You are right sue as james and his family have been with connor downs/praze surgery for years now but have been told they aren't taking on any new patients from non attachment areas ie Hayle.I and the children all belong to Hayle surgery as Im not someone that's there a lot neither do i take the children unless it's absolutely necessary but am lucky to always get an appointment when needs must :0) do think with the housing that's being added to Hayle /Connor downs should come the funding for an extra drs surgery or/and school to accommodate or forever growing towns/villages :0)
Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin praze and beeble does that not come under camborne. ??????
Susan West
Susan West Glad other people can get appointments. I've had 80+ hospital admissions with heart, kidney and lung problems and find appointments hard to come by. As I said I will have to stick to walk in centre as much as possible.
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Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin Only problems i get Susan West is with appointments at trellisk hospital had 3 canceld last month then get a letter saying i missed my appointment.
Paul Warmington
Paul Warmington I'm part of connor downs/praze surgery (they are joint)........its still not that easy getting appointments with the ringing at 8 - 30 am malarkey
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Graham Coad
Graham Coad Remember if you have an unusual prescription, Pharmacy will order what you need for when your current batch runs out, just have to ask, then you get it right after you get your prescription.

I'm not saying that you can pick and choose your surgeries, but pointing out that new ones are opening as need arises.
David Clemo
David Clemo The main reason I'm not back in Hayle is down to the number of out patient appointments I need. They're all at my local hospital. I'd have to go to Plymouth, Exeter or Bristol for my treatment
Susan West
Susan West Charlie Jenkin. Have the hospital got your mob number? Often they send a text to remind you
David Clemo
David Clemo FWIW I get text reminders for my hospital, GP, dentist and chiropodist appointments
Charlie Jenkin
Charlie Jenkin so do i but they keep changing the dates

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